Being Social

Linn Frost, Co-CEO of Social Element, on why there is a fundamental difference between a brand being on social media and a brand being social, why B2B and B2C marketing are the same discipline, and why community built around shared values is the only social strategy that compounds over time.

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Season 1, Episode 21

"Before with advertising, we could look through a telescope at our audience. Now consumers have a choice whether to consume."

The fundamental difference between a brand being on social media and a brand being social

Linn Frost co-founded Social Element twenty-two years ago, before Meta existed, when online communities were small and the idea of a social media agency was a category that had not been invented yet. The founding insight was that digital communities need someone to moderate and facilitate conversation, and that the brands who learn to participate in those communities rather than broadcast at them will build something that lasts.

In this conversation Frost draws a sharp distinction between brands being on social media, maintaining a presence and posting content on the major platforms, and brands being social, building genuine relationships with communities based on shared values and genuine engagement. She argues that B2B and B2C marketing are the same discipline in this respect: people buy from people, they follow people who make them laugh or inspire them, and the brands that build real community will always outperform the brands that buy attention.

There is a fundamental difference between being on social media and being social. One is presence. The other is relationship.
B2B and B2C social marketing are the same discipline. The person approving a B2B software purchase is the same person who follows funny accounts for entertainment. Market to the human.
Community is shared ideals, shared values, shared interests. A brand that invests in its community is in its audience's lives every day in a way that feels valuable rather than intrusive.
Social media mirrors society and magnifies it. The brands that participate have a responsibility they cannot avoid, whether they acknowledge it or not.
Ask your audience who they follow and why. Not brands. People. The answer will tell you everything you need to know about how to use social media as a brand.
01The fundamental difference between brands being on social and brands being social
02Why B2B and B2C social marketing are the same discipline and why the separation is harmful
03Community building: how shared ideals and shared values create sustainable brand relationships
04Why social media mirrors and magnifies society, and what that means for brand responsibility
05The Make Social Better campaign: how Social Element is trying to make platforms and brands more accountable
Key Exchanges 05
01 Tell me about Social Element and why it exists.

"We started at a time before Meta even existed. We were a very unique agency because we were a social media agency before social media really kicked off. We could see that with digital there were online communities and with online communities you need someone there to moderate conversations. Fast forward to now, social media has exploded. The reason why we exist is even more relevant today. We launched a campaign to make social better. Ensuring that platforms and anyone in social media is accountable and aware of the power and impact they have, and enabling brands to do it better."

The founding insight of Social Element, that digital communities need facilitation and that brands have a responsibility to participate rather than just broadcast, has become more relevant with every passing year. The scale of social media and the power it has to shape opinion, spread information, and build or destroy brand reputations means that the skills Social Element developed in moderation and community management are now a core commercial competence rather than a niche service.

02 How should brands think about building communities on social?

"This is not about a brand saying we want to be on social media. It is about a brand being social. Before with advertising, we could look through a telescope at our audience and we had a very linear approach. Now consumers have a choice. They can choose to consume. The brands that will prevail are the ones that have an actual relationship. Community is simply around shared ideals, shared values, shared interests."

The distinction between being on social and being social is operational as well as philosophical. A brand that is on social produces content on a schedule and measures impressions and reach. A brand that is social manages ongoing conversations, responds genuinely, creates space for community participation, and treats its social presence as a relationship rather than a broadcast channel. The second approach is harder but it builds something that compounds: a community that advocates for the brand because the brand has earned their genuine affiliation.

03 Is B2B social marketing really the same as B2C?

"I actually firmly don't believe in separating approaches for B2B and B2C. My background is classically trained at Ogilvy, Y&R, I ran a small creative agency and went client side at Virgin with big B2C brands. And now I have obviously got a B2B role as Co-CEO. But I truly believe marketing is marketing. People are people."

Frost's background gives her an unusually grounded perspective on the B2B/B2C divide. She has worked at both ends of the spectrum and consistently finds that the principles are the same. The person who approves a significant B2B purchase has the same motivations as any consumer: they want to work with people and companies they trust, who are interesting, who add value, and who treat them as a human being rather than a job title.

04 How do you advise brands to think about what makes them follow-worthy?

"In every session when we are meeting someone, we say to them, tell us who you follow and why. Don't say a brand because normally people don't actively choose to follow a brand. And then you will see the richness of who people follow. It is only because of humour or inspiration. And then you are like, OK, so now think about how you are going to talk as a brand."

The exercise of asking people who they follow and why strips away the corporate assumptions about what makes a brand worth following. The honest answer is almost never because they post good product updates or because they have a consistent brand voice. It is because they make people laugh, or teach them something they could not find elsewhere, or make them feel part of a community. Getting brand teams to articulate this honestly, and then to ask whether their social presence delivers any of those things, is typically where the transformation in social strategy starts.

05 What is the Make Social Better campaign and why now?

"We launched a campaign to make social better. It is about enabling. On one side, ensuring that platforms and anyone in social media is accountable and aware of the power and impact that they have and the responsibility. On the other side, enabling brands to do it better. The truth is, brands need to be social at their heart. There is an immense opportunity and it is about enabling them to navigate that landscape."

Social Element founding a campaign to make social better is a deliberate statement about accountability. A company that has spent twenty-two years helping brands use social media now arguing for more responsibility in how it is used is not a contradiction but a logical extension of that experience. The campaign is aimed at both sides of the equation: the platforms that set the rules and the brands that operate within them. Both have more power than they sometimes acknowledge, and with that power comes a responsibility to the communities they serve.

32 Minutes
S1 E21 Season & episode
22yr Social Element existed before Meta
1 Simple test: ask people who they follow. Not brands. People.

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Season 1 E21  ·  Linn Frost, Co-CEO, Social Element
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Host Could you firstly introduce your business, give people a flavour of Social Element, the purpose, what you do.

Frost We are actually 22 years old. We started at a time before Meta even existed. We were a very unique agency because we were a social media agency before social media really kicked off. We could see that with digital there were online communities and with online communities you need someone there to moderate conversations. Fast forward to now, social media has exploded and the landscape has completely evolved. We launched a campaign to make social better. It is about ensuring that platforms and anyone in social media is accountable and aware of the power and impact they have and the responsibility. And on the other side enabling brands to do it better.

Host Expand on how brands could build communities or engage with communities.

Frost This is not about a brand saying we want to be on social media. It is about a brand being social. Before with advertising, we could look through a telescope at our audience and we had a very linear approach. I want great emotional engagement, I will do a TV ad. Now consumers have a choice. They can choose to consume. The brands that will prevail are the ones that have an actual relationship. Community is simply around shared ideals, shared values, shared interests. If you think about fandom, for a brand to invest in their community, it is about making sure you are talking to them at every touch point and using social media to have a daily conversation.

Host Are there good examples of B2B businesses engaging in social and developing communities?

Frost I actually firmly do not believe in separating approaches for B2B and B2C. My background, I started in advertising, classically trained at Ogilvy, was at Y&R, ran a small creative agency, went client side at Virgin with big B2C brands. And now I have a B2B role as Co-CEO. But I truly believe marketing is marketing. People are people. We do not have to slip into jargon. Think about what you actually want to say to those people and create something of value to them. I am being marketed to every day as a CEO. My inbox is full. Unless I am looking for that service, I do not have the time. You have to think about how can you really add value to me.

Host How do you advise brands on how to use social well?

Frost In every session when we are meeting someone, we say to them, tell us who you follow and why. Do not say a brand because normally people do not actively choose to follow a brand. And then you will see the richness of who people follow. It is only because of humour or inspiration. And then you are like, OK, so now think about how you are going to talk as a brand. As soon as you do that, they change.