John Horsley and Justin Cooke, co-hosts of The Business of Marketing
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The Business of Marketing
Touring brilliant minds, ideas, and opinions.

Where Leaders Think Out Loud.

1M+ Streams & Plays The subject matter brings them. The quality keeps them coming back.
110K Newsletter Subscribers Marketing professionals who chose to stay informed.
2.5M LinkedIn Community The largest marketing community on LinkedIn.
50%+ VP Level or Above Seniority is consistent across every episode.
98 Episodes Published Senior marketing conversation since 2023.
93% Average Completion Senior leaders do not finish average conversations.

The Show

The Business of Marketing features senior leaders from global brands, agencies, and technology platforms in conversations that go beyond the surface.

Each episode explores how decisions are made at the highest levels, how priorities are balanced across brand, demand, and growth, and how marketing leadership evolves as organisations scale. Every episode is built around judgement, experience, and real-world perspective.

We record in studio and on location at industry events around the world. Every conversation is in-depth, unscripted, and built around a single question: what does it take to lead marketing inside a complex business?

The Platform

Every conversation generates intelligence. What we build from it is what makes Business Of worth returning to.

Across 98 episodes we have built one of the most substantial bodies of qualitative intelligence in marketing leadership. Candid, senior, unfiltered views on the decisions that define how organisations are built and grown.

That intelligence does not stop at the episode. We take what we hear and turn it into insights and executive briefings written for board-level conversations. The questions that keep CMOs and CEOs up at night are rarely unique. We find the patterns, surface the thinking, and give leaders something they can use.

Business Of exists to serve one audience: the senior leaders responsible for outcomes. Everything we build is designed for the room where decisions are made.

Behind Business Of
John Horsley, co-founder and host of The Business of Marketing

John Horsley

Co-founder & Host

Co-founder and host of The Business of Marketing. More than thirty years building marketing communities, publishing platforms, and editorial programmes for the world's leading technology and enterprise brands.

Founded one of LinkedIn's largest marketing communities (2.5 million members). Named by Fast Company as one of the fifty most influential people on the web. Featured in the BIMA 100 and The Drum's Top 200 People in UK Digital. Former publisher of Adobe's CMO.com across EMEA for nearly a decade.

Has worked with organisations including Adobe, Trustpilot, ON24, Bynder, Contentful, and BigCommerce across media, technology, and B2B marketing.

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Justin Cooke, co-founder and host of The Business of Marketing

Justin Cooke

Co-founder & Host

Co-founder and host of The Business of Marketing. Eleven personal exits across digital, technology, and media.

Founded Fortune Cookie in 1997. Grew it to 200 people across three continents and $25 million in revenue before selling a majority stake to WPP in 2012. Venture Partner at Northzone, backing category-defining businesses including Spotify, Klarna, and Trustpilot.

Former Chair of The Drum, Vice Chair of UNICEF UK, Chair of BIMA, member of the British Museum Digital Advisory Board, and Digital Advisor to HM Government. Featured in the Wired Top 100 and inductee of the Digital Hall of Fame.

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How It Started

Between them they have spent decades convening, building, and connecting the people who shape this industry. John has organised hundreds of events in London, San Francisco, and Amsterdam, bringing senior leaders together on and offline for over thirty years. Justin chairing, investing, and advising across some of the most consequential organisations in digital, travel, and technology.

The problem they kept coming back to was simple: a lack of meaningful, practical, pragmatic senior perspectives. The kind of thinking that only comes from people who are responsible for outcomes. At Cannes Lions in 2023, in conversation with Lance Pillersdorf, CEO of Advertising Week, the idea for the show crystallised: take the discussions that had always happened in private and open them to the world. To anyone who should be part of the conversation. Every episode a micro-MBA from the people running some of the world's most ambitious organisations.

John describes what he does simply. He is a tourist, touring brilliant minds, ideas, and opinions. He loves bringing brilliant people together because he believes only brilliant things can come from it. That curiosity, without agenda, is what makes the conversations what they are. The privilege of access, turned into something the wider community can learn from. At the heart of everything Business Of does is a simple belief: provide value to the community first, always. Earning its trust by giving before asking.

They have built a network of senior leaders across brands, agencies, and technology businesses who contribute to the platform as hosts, guests, and advisors. It is built on a community of people who believe the best thinking in this industry deserves to be shared.

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Frequently asked questions

What is The Business of Marketing?

The Business of Marketing is a senior-leadership conversation series. Each episode features CMOs, founders, presidents, and operators discussing the decisions, experience, and judgment behind their work building brands, scaling businesses, and shaping marketing organisations.

Who is the audience for The Business of Marketing?

The audience is senior marketing leaders: CMOs, VPs of Marketing, founders, growth and revenue leaders, agency principals, and commercial operators responsible for outcomes inside major brands, agencies, and technology businesses.

What makes The Business of Marketing different from other marketing podcasts?

The show is built on in-depth, unscripted conversations with senior operators. Episodes are designed to explore how marketing decisions are made inside major brands, agencies, publishers, platforms, and high-growth businesses. The format prioritises substance and judgment over headlines.

Who appears on the show?

Senior leaders from companies including LinkedIn, Adobe, Salesforce, Google, IBM, Klaviyo, Snap, Yahoo, Dentsu, Magnite, LG Ad Solutions, Tripadvisor, Clinique, Lotame, DoubleVerify, Secret Cinema, and the San Francisco 49ers.

What topics does the show cover?

Episodes explore AI, brand strategy, advertising, growth, customer experience, ecommerce, creator marketing, measurement, media, partnerships, leadership, and the future of marketing.

Is The Business of Marketing focused on B2B or B2C marketing?

The show covers both. Guests come from enterprise technology, retail, media, entertainment, ecommerce, travel, and consumer brands.

Are the conversations scripted?

No. Every conversation is unscripted, structured around a single editorial question: what does it take to lead marketing inside a complex business?

Where are interviews recorded?

In studio, on location at industry events around the world, and remotely. Recent recordings have taken place at Cannes Lions, Advertising Week New York, and other senior-leadership gatherings.

Why does the show focus so much on operators?

Operators are responsible for outcomes. The thinking that comes from senior leaders who have made the calls, navigated the trade-offs, and lived with the results is what the audience returns for.

Does The Business of Marketing cover AI and emerging technology?

Yes. Episodes regularly explore how AI is reshaping marketing operations, creative production, measurement, media buying, and commercial strategy. Guests come from companies building, deploying, and scaling AI inside marketing organisations.

How are guests selected?

We invite guests based on their experience, perspective, operating credibility, and relevance to the strategic shifts shaping marketing and media.

Can guests apply to appear on the show?

Yes. Senior marketing and commercial leaders can apply through the interview request page at businessof.co/request-interview.

Does The Business of Marketing create editorial and thought leadership content?

Yes. Beyond the podcast, the team publishes intelligence articles and executive briefings drawing on patterns across the conversations. The editorial is written for board-level readers.

Is The Business of Marketing independent?

Yes. The show is editorially independent. Partner contributions are framed honestly, and the editorial voice of the show stays consistent regardless of who is involved.

Does The Business of Marketing work with sponsors and partners?

Yes. The platform works with a select number of partners each year across brand and technology partnerships, event partnerships, sponsored intelligence reports, and Business Of Events. Details at businessof.co/partners.