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CMO and CRO as One

Lina Tonk was CMO of Recurly, the subscription management platform, and is now CMO of Smartling. Her philosophy is that CMOs who only report on marketing pipeline are thinking too small: she reports on all pipeline, including outbound and partner pipeline, because marketing’s influence runs through all of it. On day one at Recurly, she set MQL-to-pipeline conversion at four percent. They hit six.

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The Business of Marketing Season 2 ·  Episode 38  · 37 min

“The most important relationship a CMO can have is with the CRO. When you share the same metrics as sales, everything changes.”

Lina Tonk is Chief Marketing Officer of Smartling, the AI-powered language and translation platform, having previously served as CMO of Recurly, the subscription management and billing platform, from April 2024 to March 2026. At Recurly, she led the go-to-market function across demand generation, product marketing, brand, content, and marketing operations, tripling the company’s MQL-to-pipeline conversion rate and growing marketing’s pipeline contribution to 50%.

Before Recurly, Lina spent nine years at isolved, the HCM technology company, growing from Marketing Manager to SVP of Marketing to CMO. She also spent a short period in sales at isolved, which she credits with giving her a permanent empathy for what sales teams carry and how they think about their role every day. That experience is the foundation of her belief that the CMO-CRO relationship is the most important relationship in any B2B company.

Her signature programmes at Recurly include Pipeline Warriors, a combined sales and marketing working group that meets two to three times a week to build pipeline together, and the What’s Next event series, which brings customers and prospects together to learn from each other across Stockholm, Amsterdam, London, Miami, Chicago, and New York. She also brought in industry experts who work with competitors to speak at Recurly events, arguing that making the market better overall is a more powerful positioning move than any competitive campaign.

17 years
2026–Now
Smartling · Chief Marketing Officer
2024–2026
Recurly · Chief Marketing Officer
Led demand generation, product marketing, brand, content, and marketing operations. Tripled MQL-to-pipeline conversion. Grew marketing pipeline contribution to 50%.
2022–2024
isolved · Chief Marketing Officer
Led a team of 70+ marketing professionals with a focus on demand generation, brand equity, and marketing-led growth.
2021–2022
isolved · SVP Marketing
2016–2021
isolved · VP of Marketing
2015–2016
isolved · Marketing Director
2009–2015
Infinisource · Marketing Manager and Marketing Lead
Started in marketing for iSolved SaaS software.
6% MQL-to-Pipeline Conversion Rate Achieved vs Industry Average of 3-4%
50% Marketing Pipeline Contribution, Among the Highest in SaaS
20+ Events Per Year in the What’s Next Series, Globally

“If you don’t have a group like Pipeline Warriors, sales and marketing together two or three times a week changes everything.”

How Lina thinks 03 convictions
01 CMOs who only report on marketing pipeline are thinking too small

Some CMOs have said to me, are you nuts? It’s a heavy lift.

Lina’s single most powerful structural decision at Recurly was to report on all pipeline rather than just marketing-sourced pipeline. The logic is straightforward: marketing’s influence runs through every pipeline motion, whether or not marketing gets the attribution credit. When the CMO owns accountability for total pipeline, the CRO relationship becomes genuinely collaborative rather than territorially defensive. When it works, the two teams run with identical metrics and talk to boards with one voice. The Pipeline Warriors programme, where sales and marketing leaders meet together two to three times a week to build pipeline jointly, is the cultural expression of that structural decision.

02 The future of subscriptions is retention, not acquisition

The shift from acquisition to retention has completely changed the game. Pausing is tremendous.

The subscription market reached a tipping point where the cost of acquiring a new subscriber exceeds the value of retaining an existing one with any reasonable degree of care. Lina’s read on Recurly’s data is that the merchants growing fastest are those who have built subscription experiences that give subscribers reasons to stay: immediate box swaps for clothing rental, pause rather than cancel options, creative loyalty structures. The acquisition mindset treats the subscriber as the goal. The retention mindset treats them as the beginning.

03 Build product marketing first, before everything else

The first team I always build is product marketing. They own positioning. Everything else streams from that.

Lina’s team structure is consistent across every company she has built: product marketing first, then content, then demand generation, then design, then ops and martech. The logic is linear. Product marketing owns positioning. Positioning feeds content. Content feeds demand generation. Design serves all of it. If positioning is wrong, everything built on top of it is wrong. Starting with demand generation in the absence of solid positioning is how companies generate high-volume, low-quality pipeline that breaks the CMO-CRO relationship and takes months to undo.

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The Business of Marketing
Season 2 Episode 38 37 min