Interview · · 6 min read

Programmatic is not plug and play. Open the black box and you gain control. But only if you measure it and keep humans in the loop.

Christoph Berg, CEO and Founder of MINT Square GmbH, explains why programmatic became so hard to manage and how opening the black box creates commercial advantage. He argues there is no bad DSP, only fit, that a clean setup takes months of testing and shadowing rather than a two-day workshop, and that walled gardens are comfortable precisely because you never have to ask where the money goes. He is clear that programmatic lives or dies on measurement and post-view attribution, and that AI will automate the trade within five years while humans still have to keep hold of client budgets.

Christoph Berg, CEO and Founder, MINT Square GmbH. Interviewed by Justin Cooke.

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Programmatic grew out of cheap display, and every channel added its own way of buying

The setup.

Berg learned the complexity first-hand selling DSP technology for AdForm, where even then the tools were rarely used the way they were intended, because the background is so technology driven. Programmatic grew out of display, the cheap remnant traffic, and became the channel everyone went to. From there, more and more channels were connected through the DSPs, each with its own buying process: open auctions, private deals, private auctions, programmatic guarantees. The result is a system that only becomes more complex over time, where a company barely knows where to start to understand it.

Transparency is no longer about pricing, it is about the whole supply path

On what transparency means now.

Ten years ago, when MINT Square started, transparency meant pricing and the business models behind trading desks. Today advertisers understand programmatic far better and their expectations have moved. They care less about the technologies and more about the entire supply path: where the money flows across every step and vendor, and which inventory is bought in what quality. Transparency now means knowing which SSPs, targeting partners and verification partners are in play, so a brand knows where its ad is shown and that it is safe.

More than 80 percent indie agencies, all carrying walled garden expectations

On the mid-market.

MINT Square tackles the mid-market, where Berg says more than 80 percent of clients are independent agencies. They usually start with Google Ads and Facebook, then expect programmatic to deliver the same output as the walled gardens. Inside that framework it is very hard to justify programmatic, so it takes patience and management awareness that you have to take the time, dig deeper and really understand it.

“I think there were algorithms already long time in place.”

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There is no bad DSP, only fit, and inventory decides first

On choosing a platform.

Berg insists there is no bad DSP, only whether it tackles the problem a client faces. Inventory is the first filter: MINT Square runs Active Agent, Adform and The Trade Desk, and a client wanting Netflix has to go to The Trade Desk. After inventory it is API connections and reporting integration that decide between platforms. Trying to run several ad techs at once simply multiplies the complexity.

On the clean setup.

Choosing the DSP is the end of the beginning. You cannot assume a new platform behaves like the last, and the expectation that performance climbs the moment you switch it on is false. Allocate budget to test it inside out, then focus on four levels: translating media planning into dynamic programmatic, understanding how the platform is built, running campaigns in parallel to compare, and the reporting. Instead of a forgettable two-day workshop, MINT Square takes clients into the boat, builds a blueprint and lets them shadow the work, so after about three months they genuinely know whether it works for them.

The walled garden is comfortable because you never have to ask where the money goes

On the black box.

A typical black box is a walled garden, and Berg is clear it has advantages. It is comfortable, often managed for free, and all about the output. If you are happy putting money in and getting what you want, it is a fair deal with no wrong expectations. But if you want to know where the ad is shown, what targeting vendor is used and whether the data is first-party or second-party, there is often no answer. For a holistic understanding of the ecosystem, you have to open up to the open internet.

On the hidden pricing.

A lot of the work is education. The hard part is explaining the pricing to people new to programmatic: technology fees, data providers and verification partners all take a CPM, so a high share of the media goes to technology and only a fraction reaches the publisher. With a walled garden you never see how much they earn, the money just disappears into the platform. Opening up means many players are involved, so teams need a sense of the added value before they will bring it into the business.

Optimisation circles several times a week, because the machine is not ready to run budgets alone

On independence.

Programmatic is not setting five parameters and letting it run. Performance needs constant optimisation circles, several times a week, which is unfamiliar to traders used to briefing an insertion order. The real challenge is a clear overview of every platform capability: choosing the right SSP, the right DMP and targeting partners, connecting and matching first-party data. It needs real situations, not just theory, which is where Berg's teams support traders from onboarding through to reporting.

On keeping humans in the loop.

The biggest gap in teams is expectation. People assume you switch the campaign on and, with AI, the machine does everything. Berg says we are not there yet. The algorithms handle a lot, but the human aspect is so important and you have to intervene. You cannot let a machine run clients' budgets unsupervised, because the complexity does not justify it. You need control of spend, pacing and whether the audience is actually being reached.

“You don't need to understand where the money is flowing.”

Hire for numbers and nerve, and use AI to clear the repetitive work

On who to hire.

The role has moved from media planning to something far more technical, so Berg wants people unafraid of numbers and analytics who can interpret results. He uses two LLMs, with Anthropic now a major one, not to substitute people but to help them optimise the day-to-day and free up headspace from repetitive tasks like reporting. What surprises him is how hesitant even young people are to use these tools beyond simple questions. He wants people brave enough to experiment with the new SSPs, DMPs and verification partners that appear almost every month.

Google catches intent, programmatic earns its keep in the post-view

On measurement.

When a client says programmatic is not working, it is usually measurement. Advertisers max out Google Ads, social and influencers, hit a threshold where everything gets more expensive, and turn to programmatic for an answer. But it needs attribution modelling integrated across campaigns. Google Ads catches users in a last-click mindset, so clicks lead to purchases. Programmatic is a lean-back medium that reaches audiences through identifiers across the journey, so success shows up in post-view conversions that only proper tracking reveals.

On the publisher's motivation.

Having worked in publisher sales and SSP relationships, Berg sees what buyers often miss: the publisher's aim is the highest revenue and most of the bid, and the more relevant the placement, the more they earn. Publishers now have a whole portfolio of ways to connect inventory, and the same media can be bought in different quality and position. Understanding the SSP side and holding direct relationships with sales houses unlocks deals you would never find by just clicking in the DSP.

Within five years the trade is automated and the value becomes relationships

On what comes next.

Berg is excited about AI, though he cautions it is easy to frame AI when algorithms have existed for a long time and are simply used differently now. We are not yet at the point where you allocate a budget and it works, there are liabilities and that is too simple. But he believes trading itself will be automated, and then the value moves to relationship management with vendors, finding the best deals and the right partners rather than spending time on the trade. Not by the end of the year, but within five years he expects a solution.

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10 · The board question

If we moved budget out of the walled gardens and into the open programmatic ecosystem, do we have the measurement, the patience and the people to run it with real control?

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Christoph Berg

CEO and Founder, MINT Square GmbH · No Black Boxes

Christoph Berg is the CEO and Founder of MINT Square GmbH, a programmatic reseller and consultancy that helps mid-market agencies and advertisers choose technology, set up campaigns and run programmatic without treating it as a black box. By his account, more than 80 percent of MINT Square's clients are independent agencies.

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