Leadership and organisation
The future of agencies
Episodes on agency business models, outcome-based pricing, holding companies, in-housing and consultancies. Guests include Sir Martin Sorrell of S4 Capital, Stephan Pretorius of WPP, Emma Armstrong of BBDO and Toby Southgate of We Are Social.
- EP 145
Dr. Ali Alkhafaji Chief Executive OfficerApply Digital “I always tell people AI will not replace your job, someone with AI will replace your job, and I think that's the differentiator.” AI in the marketing organisation - EP 137
Luis Miguel Messianu Founder, President and Chief Creative OfficerMEL “the universal tends to be a bit generic. You know? It's kind of beige. It's kind of vanilla.” Creativity and creative effectiveness - EP 136
Lisa Morgan Managing DirectorGeneration Media “kids will decide for themselves if they like something or don't like it.” Trust and brand safety - EP 135
Miguel Machado CEOKeenfolks “we put a lot of focus on technology, but sometimes the answer comes from people.” The future of agencies - EP 131
Emma Armstrong CEO and Global Transformation OfficerBBDO “You cannot replace people with technology.” Creativity and creative effectiveness - EP 129
Carmen Rodriguez Global Chief Growth OfficerGUT “we prioritize people first, work second, and clients last.” The future of agencies - EP 127
Tracey Shirtcliff Founder & CEOSCOPE Better “the reason that we've had time and materials in the way that we've been pricing for agency business and why margin is a problem now is because it's been in the too hard box” The future of agencies - EP 116
Sir Martin Sorrell Executive ChairmanS4 Capital “So the world has changed. The industry hasn't changed with it yet.” The future of agencies - EP 104
Stephan Pretorius CTOWPP “if you know that it's AI, it's not, it's not being used that well.” The future of agencies - EP 100
James Denton-Clark Chief Growth and Client PartnerStagwell Europe “I think there are a lot of people in the industry who are still living the lives of the mad men.” The future of agencies - EP 96
Toby Southgate Global Group CEOWe Are Social “The big idea is bigger than ever. The definition just changed.” Creativity and creative effectiveness - EP 94
Paul Cash Founder and Chief RoosterRooster Punk “Brand is a simplification tool. The customer is the hero.” B2B brand and storytelling - EP 85
Jem Lloyd-Williams President of Mindshare and CSO of WPP MediaMindshare “The answer is the easy bit. The question is where the value sits now.” AI in the marketing organisation - EP 79
Andrew McCormick former Chief Growth Officerdentsu X “Three pillars of a successful agency: talent, process, and reputation.” The future of agencies - EP 77
Jason Warnes Marketing Advisor and InvestorIndependent “The capability question” The future of agencies - EP 54
Oli Bealby Co-FounderStereo Creative “Big ideas and great design shouldn't be separated” The future of agencies - EP 36
Cat Hartland UK Growth LeadSBS “Giving indie agencies a fair advantage” The future of agencies - EP 33
Marc Webbon Co-Founder and CEOWonderhatch “The best content feels like the brand made it” The future of agencies - EP 30
Aisling Conlon International Trade DirectorUK Advertising “The champagne bottle of UK Advertising” International growth - EP 2
John Karl Head of Client Development and GrowthCatalyst “SEO is not dead. It never was.” Brand and performance
Guests on this topic
- Dr. Ali Alkhafaji Apply Digital
- Luis Miguel Messianu MEL
- Lisa Morgan Generation Media
- Miguel Machado Keenfolks
- Emma Armstrong BBDO
- Carmen Rodriguez GUT
- Tracey Shirtcliff SCOPE Better
- Sir Martin Sorrell S4 Capital
- Stephan Pretorius WPP
- James Denton-Clark Stagwell Europe
- Toby Southgate We Are Social
- Paul Cash Rooster Punk
- Jem Lloyd-Williams Mindshare
- Andrew McCormick dentsu X
- Jason Warnes Independent
- Adam Clyne Coolr
- Oli Bealby Stereo Creative
- Cat Hartland SBS
- Marc Webbon Wonderhatch
- Aisling Conlon UK Advertising
- Jennifer Berry Digitas UK
- John Karl Catalyst
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Frequently asked questions
Which Business of Marketing episodes cover the future of agencies?
22 episodes so far. The most recent are with Dr. Ali Alkhafaji of Apply Digital, Luis Miguel Messianu of MEL and Lisa Morgan of Generation Media.
What does The future of agencies cover?
Agency business models, outcome-based pricing, holding companies, in-housing and consultancies.

